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California Environmental Law is the real reason for the Container Ship back log which now extends south from the Port of Long Beach to Huntington Beach. I live in Long Beach, have been seeing the ships lined up off shore, and have searched and asked locally why. None of the reasons I uncovered made any sense until this morning when I read the Conservative Treehouse article.

From Conservative Treehouse: "The trucking issue with California LA ports, ie the Port of Los Angeles (POLA) and the Port of Long Beach (POLB), is that all semi tractors have to be current with new California emissions standards. As a consequence, that mean trucks cannot be older than 3 years if they are to pick up or deliver containers at those ports. This issue wipes out approximately half of the fleet trucks used to move containers in/out of the port. Operating the port 24/7 will not cure the issue, because all it does is pile up more containers that sit idle as they await a limited number of trucks to pick them up. ...

Ships from China and SE Asia being diverted from California into the Gulf of Mexico or East coast have to go through the Panama Canal. It takes twice as long and costs twice as much, if not more. Hence, massive shipping price increases."

 

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California Environmental Law is the real reason for the Container Ship back log which now extends south from the Port of Long Beach to Huntington Beach. I live in Long Beach, have been seeing the ships lined up off shore, and have searched and asked locally why. None of the reasons I uncovered made any sense until this morning when I read the Conservative Treehouse article.

From Conservative Treehouse: "The trucking issue with California LA ports, ie the Port of Los Angeles (POLA) and the Port of Long Beach (POLB), is that all semi tractors have to be current with new California emissions standards. As a consequence, that mean trucks cannot be older than 3 years if they are to pick up or deliver containers at those ports. This issue wipes out approximately half of the fleet trucks used to move containers in/out of the port. Operating the port 24/7 will not cure the issue, because all it does is pile up more containers that sit idle as they await a limited number of trucks to pick them up. ...

Ships from China and SE Asia being diverted from California into the Gulf of Mexico or East coast have to go through the Panama Canal. It takes twice as long and costs twice as much, if not more. Hence, massive shipping price increases."

WOW.....I mean just "wwwwwwwwow"
.....JayJay333 gets the "super sleuth:" award for this!
 

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California Environmental Law is the real reason for the Container Ship back log which now extends south from the Port of Long Beach to Huntington Beach. I live in Long Beach, have been seeing the ships lined up off shore, and have searched and asked locally why. None of the reasons I uncovered made any sense until this morning when I read the Conservative Treehouse article.

From Conservative Treehouse: "The trucking issue with California LA ports, ie the Port of Los Angeles (POLA) and the Port of Long Beach (POLB), is that all semi tractors have to be current with new California emissions standards. As a consequence, that mean trucks cannot be older than 3 years if they are to pick up or deliver containers at those ports. This issue wipes out approximately half of the fleet trucks used to move containers in/out of the port. Operating the port 24/7 will not cure the issue, because all it does is pile up more containers that sit idle as they await a limited number of trucks to pick them up. ...

Ships from China and SE Asia being diverted from California into the Gulf of Mexico or East coast have to go through the Panama Canal. It takes twice as long and costs twice as much, if not more. Hence, massive shipping price increases."

Excellent information: so this then is still to be blamed on biden regime and the green new deal. Is that how one ought to interpret this?
 

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It's not just Long Beach though- It's every West Coast port from Seattle to San Diego. Every anchorage is taken, and hundreds of ships drifting offshore waiting for a turn in the queue.

Check out MarineTraffic.com for real-time maps.
 

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The POLITIDCAL "ELITES" like Peloozer, AOC, Schumer, Shifty-Schiff, etc. etc. ARE GOING TO BE THE RUIN OF THE AMERICAN DREAM... they have been chiseling away at everything we hold dear in America...and this latest step (keep gas-trucks out for emissions) is SUCH A SNEAKY-PETE WAY to throw blame elsewhere! GRRRRRRRRR
 
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It's not just Long Beach though- It's every West Coast port from Seattle to San Diego. Every anchorage is taken, and hundreds of ships drifting offshore waiting for a turn in the queue.

Check out MarineTraffic.com for real-time maps.
WOW....many thanks for the link!!!!!!
 
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WOW....many thanks for the link!!!!!!
Play with the filters a little. Top left icon that looks like a funnel. Select ship type and uncheck everything but cargo and tankers. Then zoom in on the ports. OP is right, Long Beach is the worst but the Pacific NW is bad too.

There are a lot of ships milling about just offshore. You can also filter by current status and see who is anchored and who is underway.

And the gulf is jammed with tankers with gas prices going up and up.
 

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Excellent information: so this then is still to be blamed on biden regime and the green new deal. Is that how one ought to interpret this?
I'd say yes since they backed Newsom. But blame is cheap. I'd say impress the millions who entered our country, put them in teams of 100, tie them to a container, and have them pull away - what could be greener than human work ?

Oh, Eric, that's cruel - to cast these poor people into manual labor gangs - shame on you.
Well, jack them up on the meth being brought in by the truck load and the work will get done lickidy split.
Oh, Eric, that's cruel - to force these downtrodden lost souls with drugs meant for American Citizens - shame on you.
I could go on but I ......
 

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California Environmental Law is the real reason for the Container Ship back log which now extends south from the Port of Long Beach to Huntington Beach. I live in Long Beach, have been seeing the ships lined up off shore, and have searched and asked locally why. None of the reasons I uncovered made any sense until this morning when I read the Conservative Treehouse article.

From Conservative Treehouse: "The trucking issue with California LA ports, ie the Port of Los Angeles (POLA) and the Port of Long Beach (POLB), is that all semi tractors have to be current with new California emissions standards. As a consequence, that mean trucks cannot be older than 3 years if they are to pick up or deliver containers at those ports. This issue wipes out approximately half of the fleet trucks used to move containers in/out of the port. Operating the port 24/7 will not cure the issue, because all it does is pile up more containers that sit idle as they await a limited number of trucks to pick them up. ...

Ships from China and SE Asia being diverted from California into the Gulf of Mexico or East coast have to go through the Panama Canal. It takes twice as long and costs twice as much, if not more. Hence, massive shipping price increases."

so why don't they offload in Washington, Oregon, Vancouver, etc. etc. And, yeah I know Vancouver is not a U.S. city, but it's more loyal than California and better than Mexico. Okay, now I've read the other answers and know that Seattle and Portland are already effected. So, were the truck Manufacturers involved in passing all these restrictive measures, so they could be assured of selling lots of new trucks?
 
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so why don't they offload in Washington, Oregon, Vancouver, etc. etc. And, yeah I know Vancouver is not a U.S. city, but it's more loyal than California and better than Mexico.
Those ports are all jammed up too. There is a Vancouver WA- I know because I live here! We have ports in Longview, Kalama, and Vancouver as well as Portland. Everything is on a slow-walk.

Shipping to Vancouver B.C. or Seattle or Tacoma all comes through the Strait of Juan de Fuca. You can look at that marine traffic map and see the pile-up at Cape Flattery.
 

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California Environmental Law is the real reason for the Container Ship back log which now extends south from the Port of Long Beach to Huntington Beach. I live in Long Beach, have been seeing the ships lined up off shore, and have searched and asked locally why. None of the reasons I uncovered made any sense until this morning when I read the Conservative Treehouse article.

From Conservative Treehouse: "The trucking issue with California LA ports, ie the Port of Los Angeles (POLA) and the Port of Long Beach (POLB), is that all semi tractors have to be current with new California emissions standards. As a consequence, that mean trucks cannot be older than 3 years if they are to pick up or deliver containers at those ports. This issue wipes out approximately half of the fleet trucks used to move containers in/out of the port. Operating the port 24/7 will not cure the issue, because all it does is pile up more containers that sit idle as they await a limited number of trucks to pick them up. ...

Ships from China and SE Asia being diverted from California into the Gulf of Mexico or East coast have to go through the Panama Canal. It takes twice as long and costs twice as much, if not more. Hence, massive shipping price increases."

The ports in Long Beach and Los Angeles are the most direct route for bringing Chinese imports into the U.S. It's how the infrastructure has been set up. There are of course other routes that can be taken but they significantly increase distance and cost. Unlike the other ports in the U.S., the total port is split between two cities, L.A. and Long Beach, but when combined, is huge.

As usual, the environmentalist alarmist's solution in reality creates additional pollution.

A picture of the Long Beach portion of the harbor.
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The ports in Long Beach and Los Angeles are the most direct route for bringing Chinese imports into the U.S. It's how the infrastructure has been set up. There are of course other routes that can be taken but they significantly increase distance and cost. Unlike the other ports in the U.S., the total port is split between two cities, L.A. and Long Beach, but when combined, is huge.

As usual, the environmentalist alarmist's solution in reality creates additional pollution.

A picture of the Long Beach portion of the harbor.
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EXCELLENT view of "the harbor"....AS WELL AS YOUR CONTINUING INFO to add to this discussion... :) this stuff needs to be shared far & wide.
 

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https://theconservativetreehouse.co...m-los-angeles-ports-only-making-things-worse/

CONTAINER-GEDDON...........
The problem is a shortage of CA emission compliant internal transportation trucks to move the containers out of the port and into the U.S. mainland.

As a resultโ€ฆ the politically expedient goal to get rid of the optical problem (the ships) by offloading containers into a California port system that is already overwhelmed with tens-of-thousands of containers is only making the original issue exponentially worse.

With hundreds more containers being offloaded hourly, the port infrastructure needed to load trucks long-sitting in the cue to pick up containers that arrived weeks ago is collapsing.

Truckers are waiting for over 8 hours to pick up their freight because the yards are swamped with containers. As each hour passes more containers are offloaded into the port that can no longer deal with the scale of the problem. Each individual container is now buried in an avalanche of more containers, and that is making the limited compliant trucking resources even more problematicโ€ฆ.. โ€œcontainergeddonโ€œ.
 

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https://theconservativetreehouse.co...m-los-angeles-ports-only-making-things-worse/

CONTAINER-GEDDON...........
The problem is a shortage of CA emission compliant internal transportation trucks to move the containers out of the port and into the U.S. mainland.

As a resultโ€ฆ the politically expedient goal to get rid of the optical problem (the ships) by offloading containers into a California port system that is already overwhelmed with tens-of-thousands of containers is only making the original issue exponentially worse.

With hundreds more containers being offloaded hourly, the port infrastructure needed to load trucks long-sitting in the cue to pick up containers that arrived weeks ago is collapsing.

Truckers are waiting for over 8 hours to pick up their freight because the yards are swamped with containers. As each hour passes more containers are offloaded into the port that can no longer deal with the scale of the problem. Each individual container is now buried in an avalanche of more containers, and that is making the limited compliant trucking resources even more problematicโ€ฆ.. โ€œcontainergeddonโ€œ.
I have a friend who owns a business located in close proximity to the port. His business is storing containers which need a longer holding time than what the port permits. Even though it sounds like that's not being closely monitored right now, I bet my friend's business is at full capacity.
 

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https://theconservativetreehouse.co...m-los-angeles-ports-only-making-things-worse/

CONTAINER-GEDDON...........
The problem is a shortage of CA emission compliant internal transportation trucks to move the containers out of the port and into the U.S. mainland.

As a resultโ€ฆ the politically expedient goal to get rid of the optical problem (the ships) by offloading containers into a California port system that is already overwhelmed with tens-of-thousands of containers is only making the original issue exponentially worse.

With hundreds more containers being offloaded hourly, the port infrastructure needed to load trucks long-sitting in the cue to pick up containers that arrived weeks ago is collapsing.

Truckers are waiting for over 8 hours to pick up their freight because the yards are swamped with containers. As each hour passes more containers are offloaded into the port that can no longer deal with the scale of the problem. Each individual container is now buried in an avalanche of more containers, and that is making the limited compliant trucking resources even more problematicโ€ฆ.. โ€œcontainergeddonโ€œ.
Most of the truckers I have spoken with do not want to come to Cali compliant or not. They are making their money elsewhere. I live in the Inland Empire and Amazon and few others have built thousands of acres of warehouses next to the airport. Massive over build but all are full and busy.
 
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JayJay3333

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You can also see the now infamous, rusting out, sinking (literally except it sits on a rock jetty) Queen Mary in the picture of the port. It's next to, behind, the white dome on the right side of the picture.

The Queen Mary upkeep is a major fail, in multiple ways, of the City Government. Leased to a corrupt company (with City Council ties) who for years was not providing maintenance which was in the contract, the City ignored audit reports showing concern, and then hid from the public the full audit of the horrible condition. The cost estimate for repair is $300 million which we all know will end up being a low estimate so there is a conversation about selling it for scrap medal which I hear that because of the time period when the metal was manufacted, has good value.

Another interesting aspect of the port is that part of it used to be the Naval Shipyard. Just in recent years has the infrastructure been completed to change former shipyard land to port land. The last big contract for that was sold to a Chinese company. Shortly after Trump came in, he forced the Chinese company to sell their interest. No thanks to the City of Long Beach, the State of California, or the Obama administration, but part of the POLB is no longer owned by a Chinese company.
 
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Most of the truckers I have spoken with do not want to come to Cali compliant or not. They are making their money elsewhere. I live in the Inland Empire and Amazon and few others have built thousands of acres of warehouses next to the airport. Massive over build but all are full and busy.
In one of the articles I read it said that non CA compliant truckers are waiting just past the California border and they're transferring loads from CA compliant trucks to those trucks at the border.
 
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