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c_underwood

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I think the defense can easily cast "reasonable doubt" by offering a alternative theories to Capital Riot causes.

First up? Nancy Pelosi is sitting in her office fuming about Trump. We need to get rid of him for good. Phone rings. Police ask Pelosi for more security at Capital on 6th. Pelosi+ has an idea. No on extra precautions. If they do get through the barricades, we can shut down the opposition by changing the narrative. Keep the security light and let's see what happens.

Second alternative? Mike Pence chose the worst possible time to send a tweet that he would not step in on certification. He could have sent it the night before, early that morning. Instead, he sent it moments before the process got rolling. Mike Pence timing caused the riot.

Third alternative? Mitch McConnell is letting this go to trial and saying vote your conscious because he was embarrassed in front of his colleagues. During riot, he was not walking fast enough, so security had to basically pick him up and drag him through the tunnels. This was extremely embarrassing.

Therefore, it's plausible that Pelosi and others reduced security inviting a riot, Pence chose the timing to incite the protesters and/or McConnell is letting this trial happen because he felt emasculated.
 

c_underwood

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Next up for defense would be to pivot from the word fraud. Forget voter fraud. Forget election fraud. This is all a case of government officials committing crimes. The Georgia Secretary of State and others should be brought to trial for ignoring state/federal constitutions.

Many officials, regardless of party, slipped up by letting COVID force changes to voting. Executive branch was not authorized to make these changes to voting processes. While in the past, executive branch at state level has been able to make small changes in simple processes (voting locations), they took it too far in the 2020 election.

There is a reason the state legislature has authority over election processes. They have members from both parties. A governor or judge would be able to change the election process to favor his/her interests/party.

The executive branch in many states broke the law. This is a criminal issue, not a fraud issue. Each voter did their job. But they did it in a way that ignored state constitutions, through no fault of the individual voter.
 
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c_underwood

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Finally, as the defense team, I would pivot to the process of adjudicating the election. When side A says Trump and side B says Biden, we cannot take B's word for it. Someone accuses Raffensperger (side B) of crimes. Raffensperger says nothing to see here, side B is correct. He can't be the judge and jury and vote that his own position (B) is correct. He is basically dismissing a case against him.

This must go to a third party who is not A or B. That third party orders an investigation of the charges by side A. Only the third party can review the results of mail-in, late night drops, voter id, machine functionality, etc. Then make a ruling. Lawyers need to pivot away from changing election outcomes to putting elected officials in jail. This will be enough to cast doubt on the entire election process.
 
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Lady Patriot

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Next up for defense would be to pivot from the word fraud. Forget voter fraud. Forget election fraud. This is all a case of government officials committing crimes. The Georgia Secretary of State and others should be brought to trial for ignoring state/federal constitutions.

Many officials, regardless of party, slipped up by letting COVID force changes to voting. Executive branch was not authorized to make these changes to voting processes. While in the past, executive branch at state level has been able to make small changes in simple processes (voting locations), they took it too far in the 2020 election.

There is a reason the state legislature has authority over election processes. They have members from both parties. A governor or judge would be able to change the election process to favor his/her interests/party.

The executive branch in many states broke the law. This is a criminal issue, not a fraud issue. Each voter did their job. But they did it in a way that ignored state constitutions, through no fault of the individual voter.
EXACTLY:...The Georgia Secretary of State and others should be brought to trial for ignoring state/federal constitutions.
 
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Lady Patriot

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Next up for defense would be to pivot from the word fraud. Forget voter fraud. Forget election fraud. This is all a case of government officials committing crimes. The Georgia Secretary of State and others should be brought to trial for ignoring state/federal constitutions.

Many officials, regardless of party, slipped up by letting COVID force changes to voting. Executive branch was not authorized to make these changes to voting processes. While in the past, executive branch at state level has been able to make small changes in simple processes (voting locations), they took it too far in the 2020 election.

There is a reason the state legislature has authority over election processes. They have members from both parties. A governor or judge would be able to change the election process to favor his/her interests/party.

The executive branch in many states broke the law. This is a criminal issue, not a fraud issue. Each voter did their job. But they did it in a way that ignored state constitutions, through no fault of the individual voter.
SPOT ON:..."The executive branch in many states broke the law. This is a criminal issue, not a fraud issue. Each voter did their job. But they did it in a way that ignored state constitutions, through no fault of the individual voter."
 
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j.wntworth

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Thank you for the alternate approach to prosecution. Watching the "defense" in action has been soo painful! The work done by President Trump's brilliant defenders has been such a cut above the passive grey suits, we came to hope his Presidency would, in the end, be restored. I for one. have not one drop of energy to invest in this rotten GOP. They will bleed MAGA dry and contain those efforts for change as they have done to the "Tea Party". As someone I heard once say, "Their just no damn good"!
 

Jazon Panther. Ph.D.

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I think the defense can easily cast "reasonable doubt" by offering a alternative theories to Capital Riot causes.

First up? Nancy Pelosi is sitting in her office fuming about Trump. We need to get rid of him for good. Phone rings. Police ask Pelosi for more security at Capital on 6th. Pelosi+ has an idea. No on extra precautions. If they do get through the barricades, we can shut down the opposition by changing the narrative. Keep the security light and let's see what happens.

Second alternative? Mike Pence chose the worst possible time to send a tweet that he would not step in on certification. He could have sent it the night before, early that morning. Instead, he sent it moments before the process got rolling. Mike Pence timing caused the riot.

Third alternative? Mitch McConnell is letting this go to trial and saying vote your conscious because he was embarrassed in front of his colleagues. During riot, he was not walking fast enough, so security had to basically pick him up and drag him through the tunnels. This was extremely embarrassing.

Therefore, it's plausible that Pelosi and others reduced security inviting a riot, Pence chose the timing to incite the protesters and/or McConnell is letting this trial happen because he felt emasculated.
DIRT MITCH McCONNELL WAS EMASCULATED BEFORE HE MET THAT CHINESE DRAG QUEEN HE MARRIED LEAVING HIS WIFE AND CHILDREN BACK HERE IN KY. HE IS THE ORIGINAL ERIC SALWELL. THEY PROBABLY HAD TO DRAG HIM BECAUSE HE IS USED TO DRAGGING HIS FEET — MADE A POLITICAL CAREER OF IT AND LITERALLY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN TREASONOUS TRADING WITH THE CHINESE. KILLED KY COAL AND MINES COAL IN PERU AND SENDS IT TO CHINA ON HIS FATHER-IN-LAWS SHIPPING FLEET THE USA SUBSIDISES. YOU CAN'T SAY ENOUGH BAD ABOUT DIRT MITCH — AND YET EVEN MY PARENTS DEFEND HIM AS A TRUE REPUBLICAN. UNFORTUNATELY THAT IS TRUE. A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF A REPUBLICAN TRAITOR.
 

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