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highsea

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I dug into that story a few days ago. She is wrong, and she misstates the analysis in a very gross way.

What Pfizer was comparing was not a vax group vs. a placebo group. They were comparing two vaxxed groups from the original clinical trials. One group was the group that received the vaccine, the other group was the placebo group, which received the vaccine after the trial concluded (about 4 months later).

2 groups- one vaxxed early and one vaxxed several months later. Among those 2 groups, the recipients of the later group (the original placebo group) had a lower rate of infections for the period (July 1- August 31).

Note that this review was about 10 months after the clinical trials ended. Why? Because the purpose of the analysis was to see how the vaccine was handling the Delta variant.

The conclusion by Pfizer conforms to the data from other countries- the efficacy of the vax decreases pretty rapidly over time.

BOTH groups are vaccinated groups- it is absolutely FALSE to claim this somehow proves the vaccine increases risk of covid.

This woman has no clue what she is talking about, she worked in Pfizer's marketing dept back in the late 90's. She created a new marketing program for Viagra that targeted younger men and was apparently kind of a celebrity in the marketing dept for that.

She knows nothing about vaccines, viruses, biochemistry. Her graphene oxide claims are equally obnoxious as this latest one. Please, people- do not listen to this loon.

Here is the paper she is using to support her claim, please read pages 21-22.

 
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I dug into that story a few days ago. She is wrong, and she misstates the analysis in a very gross way.

What Pfizer was comparing was not a vax group vs. a placebo group. They were comparing two vaxxed groups from the original clinical trials. One group was the group that received the vaccine, the other group was the placebo group, which received the vaccine after the trial concluded (about 4 months later).

2 groups- one vaxxed early and one vaxxed several months later. Among those 2 groups, the recipients of the later group (the original placebo group) had a lower rate of infections for the period (July 1- August 31).

Note that this review was about 10 months after the clinical trials ended. Why? Because the purpose of the analysis was to see how the vaccine was handling the Delta variant.

The conclusion by Pfizer conforms to the data from other countries- the efficacy of the vax decreases pretty rapidly over time.

BOTH groups are vaccinated groups- it is absolutely FALSE to claim this somehow proves the vaccine increases risk of covid.

This woman has no clue what she is talking about, she worked in Pfizer's marketing dept back in the late 90's. She created a new marketing program for Viagra that targeted younger men and was apparently kind of a celebrity in the marketing dept for that.

She knows nothing about vaccines, viruses, biochemistry. Her graphene oxide claims are equally obnoxious as this latest one. Please, people- do not listen to this loon.

Here is the paper she is using to support her claim, please read pages 21-22.

I don’t want any false reporting. I want to delete this, but there’s no delete button. I’ll delete it another way.
 

highsea

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I don’t want any false reporting. I want to delete this, but there’s no delete button. I’ll delete it another way.
That's okay PiP, I thought the post was fine. Lots of people have heard her interview with Renz or whatever that guy's name is, and her claims are repeated everywhere already.

There are a lot completely valid reasons to pass on the vax, but lies should not be part of the calculus for anyone.

A lot of this stuff goes viral in the far-right media because it follows the script. No one bothers to see if it's an accurate representation. It's just pandering. I get irritated by it, but do not mean my comments to reflect on you. The claim is not your invention.

The main reason we even have to deal with this is because the public health authorities have been so dishonest. When they lie to us, they create the space for people to say all kinds of crazy stuff.
 

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