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I've been watching this site for a while now but this is my first post. A few comments that I want to throw out there.

* I agree with FedUp on many things. I don't think there is a "plan" for anyone to rush in on a white horse and save us. I can't answer all the loose ends about why DJT did this or Rudy did that. I don't think the military has any more of a clue than we the people. Remember that Obama removed a lot of people at the top and replaced them with his own ilk. I think that deck is stacked just like the rest of government....with DS sympathizers.

* I have read the DeepCapture site that provides Patrick Byrne's account of the events between Nov - Jan. While I think he was being truthful, I cannot decide if he is a DS plant or a psyop to undermine and demoralize Trump supporters. He really provided no solutions to our current predicament other than to say use an * when referring to President* Biden who was elected in a legitimate process. Naturally most of us call BS on that statement.

* I feel there is a largely successful psyop to paint "violence" related to the "storming of the Capitol" in a manner to prevent any ACTUAL violence from taking place by Trump supporters. Basically EVERYONE wants to rush to say "I don't support violence" because they don't want to be painted by the same brush as "those people." So I ask you....when is violence justified? If the Chinese, Russians, or hell...the Brits....ever showed up on our soil and overthrew our government....would violence then be justified to defend it??? Do we look the other way on "violence" just because we have 1000+ "elected and appointed" government officials who are supporting this coup? Of course THEY don't want YOU to be violent because then THEY would have to defend themselves by turning violent and why go to those lengths if you don't have to? Remember that these people are elitists. They don't want to dirty their hands with the peasants....

* I have worked with FBI and DHS for many years. I was one of a group of people who had many, in depth conversations with them about the election tabulators being hackable and connected to the internet BACK IN 2017. This has been known for years. They didn't care then, they didn't care now. There are many GOOD and HONEST agents within the FBI, CISA, and DHS. However....just like the military....they are trained to follow protocol and every avenue that they would normally use to deal with these issues has been blocked, undermined, or could literally bring harm & ruin to them & their families. So many of them just keep their heads down and do whatever they are asked to do. We can say mean things about their lack of courage, but have any of you done the same? We are now facing the silent overthrow of our entire way of life and, yet, we are doing nothing other than complaining through internet forums how outrageous it is. Instead we play the waiting game. Waiting for DJT to say something or do something about it. Waiting for Congress to fix it. Waiting for the courts. Waiting, waiting, waiting..... And the Communists KNOW that's all we will do while they laughingly take over.

What we NEED is a leader to rally around. What we NEED is a way to start coordinating and communicating. Naturally everything I have posted here is going to carefully documented by the DS and I will be targeted. I may lose my job, house, everything....just for SAYING what I have.
 

Debbiey

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I've been watching this site for a while now but this is my first post. A few comments that I want to throw out there.

* I agree with FedUp on many things. I don't think there is a "plan" for anyone to rush in on a white horse and save us. I can't answer all the loose ends about why DJT did this or Rudy did that. I don't think the military has any more of a clue than we the people. Remember that Obama removed a lot of people at the top and replaced them with his own ilk. I think that deck is stacked just like the rest of government....with DS sympathizers.

* I have read the DeepCapture site that provides Patrick Byrne's account of the events between Nov - Jan. While I think he was being truthful, I cannot decide if he is a DS plant or a psyop to undermine and demoralize Trump supporters. He really provided no solutions to our current predicament other than to say use an * when referring to President* Biden who was elected in a legitimate process. Naturally most of us call BS on that statement.

* I feel there is a largely successful psyop to paint "violence" related to the "storming of the Capitol" in a manner to prevent any ACTUAL violence from taking place by Trump supporters. Basically EVERYONE wants to rush to say "I don't support violence" because they don't want to be painted by the same brush as "those people." So I ask you....when is violence justified? If the Chinese, Russians, or hell...the Brits....ever showed up on our soil and overthrew our government....would violence then be justified to defend it??? Do we look the other way on "violence" just because we have 1000+ "elected and appointed" government officials who are supporting this coup? Of course THEY don't want YOU to be violent because then THEY would have to defend themselves by turning violent and why go to those lengths if you don't have to? Remember that these people are elitists. They don't want to dirty their hands with the peasants....

* I have worked with FBI and DHS for many years. I was one of a group of people who had many, in depth conversations with them about the election tabulators being hackable and connected to the internet BACK IN 2017. This has been known for years. They didn't care then, they didn't care now. There are many GOOD and HONEST agents within the FBI, CISA, and DHS. However....just like the military....they are trained to follow protocol and every avenue that they would normally use to deal with these issues has been blocked, undermined, or could literally bring harm & ruin to them & their families. So many of them just keep their heads down and do whatever they are asked to do. We can say mean things about their lack of courage, but have any of you done the same? We are now facing the silent overthrow of our entire way of life and, yet, we are doing nothing other than complaining through internet forums how outrageous it is. Instead we play the waiting game. Waiting for DJT to say something or do something about it. Waiting for Congress to fix it. Waiting for the courts. Waiting, waiting, waiting..... And the Communists KNOW that's all we will do while they laughingly take over.

What we NEED is a leader to rally around. What we NEED is a way to start coordinating and communicating. Naturally everything I have posted here is going to carefully documented by the DS and I will be targeted. I may lose my job, house, everything....just for SAYING what I have.
I for one am definitely NOT WAITING FOR TRUMP to do something. He has already proven to me he doesn't have the guts to fight, or may be he is just tired of the fight. I want a leader that will fight for what is right & stand up for America's rights. Even if you find that person, they are going to meet with the same opposition Trump did. So is there anyone going to go the distance needed to fight this fight? 75+ million people thought we had that person in Trump & look how he is betraying all of that support.
 
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I for one am definitely NOT WAITING FOR TRUMP to do something. He has already proven to me he doesn't have the guts to fight, or may be he is just tired of the fight. I want a leader that will fight for what is right & stand up for America's rights. Even if you find that person, they are going to meet with the same opposition Trump did. So is there anyone going to go the distance needed to fight this fight? 75+ million people thought we had that person in Trump & look how he is betraying all of that support.

Let's dial back to 5 years before the American Revolution. When our Founding Fathers started down the path of Revolution BEFORE they hit the point of no return, do you think they knew they would be putting EVERYTHING they had on the line? And by EVERYTHING, I mean their businesses, their homes, their families, their friends, and their very lives? Or do you think they started with an idea of what was RIGHT but didn't have a fully formed understanding of what EXACTLY they would have to risk and sacrifice to see events play out to their conclusion?

That's how I see DJT when he came down that escalator. He knew there was corruption. He knew that someone needed to step up and try to fix things. But I don't think he had any CLUE what he was really getting into.... Again, it is easy for us to say he didn't have courage or fortitude to follow his choice all the way to the end regardless of what it might have cost him. We aren't the ones who are publicly doing the same.... I think DJT did what he thought he could. I personally think he failed to take measures that he COULD have taken. Why he didn't is a mystery... Maybe we will find out some day. But I feel that the ultimate responsibility to unscrew this pooch lies with US, the American people. Just like our Founding Fathers, WE have to be willing to commit to sacrifice as much as they did to go up against a tyrannical government. The people in Congress are NOT reflecting the will of the people. They are corrupt. In some cases, they are illegitimate. The Constitution and Founding Fathers gave us an avenue to tear down a corrupt government. We just have to be courageous enough to follow through.... This starts by working together instead of remaining scattered and voiceless.
 

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I've been watching this site for a while now but this is my first post. A few comments that I want to throw out there.

* I agree with FedUp on many things. I don't think there is a "plan" for anyone to rush in on a white horse and save us. I can't answer all the loose ends about why DJT did this or Rudy did that. I don't think the military has any more of a clue than we the people. Remember that Obama removed a lot of people at the top and replaced them with his own ilk. I think that deck is stacked just like the rest of government....with DS sympathizers.

* I have read the DeepCapture site that provides Patrick Byrne's account of the events between Nov - Jan. While I think he was being truthful, I cannot decide if he is a DS plant or a psyop to undermine and demoralize Trump supporters. He really provided no solutions to our current predicament other than to say use an * when referring to President* Biden who was elected in a legitimate process. Naturally most of us call BS on that statement.

* I feel there is a largely successful psyop to paint "violence" related to the "storming of the Capitol" in a manner to prevent any ACTUAL violence from taking place by Trump supporters. Basically EVERYONE wants to rush to say "I don't support violence" because they don't want to be painted by the same brush as "those people." So I ask you....when is violence justified? If the Chinese, Russians, or hell...the Brits....ever showed up on our soil and overthrew our government....would violence then be justified to defend it??? Do we look the other way on "violence" just because we have 1000+ "elected and appointed" government officials who are supporting this coup? Of course THEY don't want YOU to be violent because then THEY would have to defend themselves by turning violent and why go to those lengths if you don't have to? Remember that these people are elitists. They don't want to dirty their hands with the peasants....

* I have worked with FBI and DHS for many years. I was one of a group of people who had many, in depth conversations with them about the election tabulators being hackable and connected to the internet BACK IN 2017. This has been known for years. They didn't care then, they didn't care now. There are many GOOD and HONEST agents within the FBI, CISA, and DHS. However....just like the military....they are trained to follow protocol and every avenue that they would normally use to deal with these issues has been blocked, undermined, or could literally bring harm & ruin to them & their families. So many of them just keep their heads down and do whatever they are asked to do. We can say mean things about their lack of courage, but have any of you done the same? We are now facing the silent overthrow of our entire way of life and, yet, we are doing nothing other than complaining through internet forums how outrageous it is. Instead we play the waiting game. Waiting for DJT to say something or do something about it. Waiting for Congress to fix it. Waiting for the courts. Waiting, waiting, waiting..... And the Communists KNOW that's all we will do while they laughingly take over.

What we NEED is a leader to rally around. What we NEED is a way to start coordinating and communicating. Naturally everything I have posted here is going to carefully documented by the DS and I will be targeted. I may lose my job, house, everything....just for SAYING what I have.
THIS PLACE IS A START... don't be shy...keep on posting...cause the #'s are growing here!
 

Debbiey

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Let's dial back to 5 years before the American Revolution. When our Founding Fathers started down the path of Revolution BEFORE they hit the point of no return, do you think they knew they would be putting EVERYTHING they had on the line? And by EVERYTHING, I mean their businesses, their homes, their families, their friends, and their very lives? Or do you think they started with an idea of what was RIGHT but didn't have a fully formed understanding of what EXACTLY they would have to risk and sacrifice to see events play out to their conclusion?

That's how I see DJT when he came down that escalator. He knew there was corruption. He knew that someone needed to step up and try to fix things. But I don't think he had any CLUE what he was really getting into.... Again, it is easy for us to say he didn't have courage or fortitude to follow his choice all the way to the end regardless of what it might have cost him. We aren't the ones who are publicly doing the same.... I think DJT did what he thought he could. I personally think he failed to take measures that he COULD have taken. Why he didn't is a mystery... Maybe we will find out some day. But I feel that the ultimate responsibility to unscrew this pooch lies with US, the American people. Just like our Founding Fathers, WE have to be willing to commit to sacrifice as much as they did to go up against a tyrannical government. The people in Congress are NOT reflecting the will of the people. They are corrupt. In some cases, they are illegitimate. The Constitution and Founding Fathers gave us an avenue to tear down a corrupt government. We just have to be courageous enough to follow through.... This starts by working together instead of remaining scattered and voiceless.
I understand what you are saying & most I agree with, but now IT IS WHAT IT IS.
 

SuperNumb

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When violence justified: when they come door to door for the guns.
What will motivate the masses: when the food runs out.

Everything else is just keyboard warrior stuff and waiting for Jesus (or Trump) to return. Beware that Messiah/Leader stuff it lulls you to sleep while you're waiting. Be your own Leader.

Some insightful comments on Trump and reality from the inestimable Martin Armstrong:
Was Trump the Right Person? and Should Trump Run Again?
You could do worse than reading his blog every morning with me over coffee.
 

Debbiey

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When violence justified: when they come door to door for the guns.
What will motivate the masses: when the food runs out.

Everything else is just keyboard warrior stuff and waiting for Jesus (or Trump) to return. Beware that Messiah/Leader stuff it lulls you to sleep while you're waiting. Be your own Leader.

Some insightful comments on Trump and reality from the inestimable Martin Armstrong:
Was Trump the Right Person? and Should Trump Run Again?
You could do worse than reading his blog every morning with me over coffee.
I believe there will be a civil war when they start coming after people's guns. Trump did a lot of good things; but made too many bad decisions based upon bad advice while he ignored the good advice. He also kept too many people in positions that should have been fired, or for that matter, never put in place, beginning with Pence. If I can remember correctly Trump had not really decided on Pence; but he allowed Pence to make the decision. Then Sessions, my God, he should have replaced him immediately. Then when he picked Ray for FBI - REALLY? But there again, let him remain. Like I said, IT IS WHAT IT IS/WAS.
 

SuperNumb

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I believe there will be a civil war when they start coming after people's guns. Trump did a lot of good things; but made too many bad decisions based upon bad advice while he ignored the good advice. He also kept too many people in positions that should have been fired, or for that matter, never put in place, beginning with Pence. If I can remember correctly Trump had not really decided on Pence; but he allowed Pence to make the decision. Then Sessions, my God, he should have replaced him immediately. Then when he picked Ray for FBI - REALLY? But there again, let him remain. Like I said, IT IS WHAT IT IS/WAS.
I'm not sure how Trump could have done it better. Picking anybody from The Swamp is going to get you Swamp. Bringing in all (trusted) outsiders would have been media war against him 24/7. Well he got that anyway, but didn't know that was foregone beforehand. It's easy to Monday Morning Quarterback it NOW but in mid-November 2015, still riding high on the punchbowl of #winning...I give Trump a lot of room there. You have to trust somebody, right? Look at us - we trust Steve Bannon & Friends for 3 hours every M-F and 2 hours on S...what if that's all a huge psy-op too?

It's the Fourth Turning and more importantly Martin Armstrong's Socrates has determined that 2032 is The Collapse of Western Socialism. So we'll jigger back and forth for the next 11 years, but really...it's a done deal. Now what comes after 2032...that, if we survive is what we can try to do better!

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Debbiey

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I'm not sure how Trump could have done it better. Picking anybody from The Swamp is going to get you Swamp. Bringing in all (trusted) outsiders would have been media war against him 24/7. Well he got that anyway, but didn't know that was foregone beforehand. It's easy to Monday Morning Quarterback it NOW but in mid-November 2015, still riding high on the punchbowl of #winning...I give Trump a lot of room there. You have to trust somebody, right? Look at us - we trust Steve Bannon & Friends for 3 hours every M-F and 2 hours on S...what if that's all a huge psy-op too?

It's the Fourth Turning and more importantly Martin Armstrong's Socrates has determined that 2032 is The Collapse of Western Socialism. So we'll jigger back and forth for the next 11 years, but really...it's a done deal. Now what comes after 2032...that, if we survive is what we can try to do better!

Yes, & I will admit I am probably a MONDAY MORNING QUARTER BACK, I just expected better of Trump in this fight. I don't believe I could support him again, but then I will be the first one to admit I am wrong if something changes. Don't know if I will live to see 2032, but I hope this situation turns around sooner than that.
 

Scout

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I'm not sure how Trump could have done it better. Picking anybody from The Swamp is going to get you Swamp. Bringing in all (trusted) outsiders would have been media war against him 24/7. Well he got that anyway, but didn't know that was foregone beforehand. It's easy to Monday Morning Quarterback it NOW but in mid-November 2015, still riding high on the punchbowl of #winning...I give Trump a lot of room there. You have to trust somebody, right? Look at us - we trust Steve Bannon & Friends for 3 hours every M-F and 2 hours on S...what if that's all a huge psy-op too?

It's the Fourth Turning and more importantly Martin Armstrong's Socrates has determined that 2032 is The Collapse of Western Socialism. So we'll jigger back and forth for the next 11 years, but really...it's a done deal. Now what comes after 2032...that, if we survive is what we can try to do better!

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I am proud of Donald Trump and applaud all that he has done for the people. After 8 years of devastation of our country - we desperately needed someone to try and set things right again. But who? We all knew that anyone we elected from the swamp it would be crooked business as usual and nothing changed. Then Donald Trump stepped forward. He certainly didn't have to. He could have enjoyed a rewarding carefree retirement. But he saw what was happening to the country he loves and also what was happening to the hard working Americans who were struggling to stay afloat.

Donald Trump stepped forward, determined to do whatever he could to put Americans first, build up the economy, and make our country strong. He did all this! The relentless onslaught from every direction he endured for 4 years is unimaginable. I do not know how he did it! And like SuperNumb said, he had to pick his cabinet from the Swamp so not easy choices. Some he picked acted like genuine supporters until they got in office and then you could see they were just planted swamp rats waiting for their chance to undermine Trump anyway they could. I do wonder (along with others here) why Trump didn't replace them right away but I am sure he had his reasons and he does give everyone a chance. He did warn us that "they" would try to steal the election. Too bad our elected swamp rats didn't take action to see that this did not happen!

Just my thoughts but I think DT is waiting until this bogus impeachment trial is over, then he will be back in some way to help.
 

Debbiey

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I am proud of Donald Trump and applaud all that he has done for the people. After 8 years of devastation of our country - we desperately needed someone to try and set things right again. But who? We all knew that anyone we elected from the swamp it would be crooked business as usual and nothing changed. Then Donald Trump stepped forward. He certainly didn't have to. He could have enjoyed a rewarding carefree retirement. But he saw what was happening to the country he loves and also what was happening to the hard working Americans who were struggling to stay afloat.

Donald Trump stepped forward, determined to do whatever he could to put Americans first, build up the economy, and make our country strong. He did all this! The relentless onslaught from every direction he endured for 4 years is unimaginable. I do not know how he did it! And like SuperNumb said, he had to pick his cabinet from the Swamp so not easy choices. Some he picked acted like genuine supporters until they got in office and then you could see they were just planted swamp rats waiting for their chance to undermine Trump anyway they could. I do wonder (along with others here) why Trump didn't replace them right away but I am sure he had his reasons and he does give everyone a chance. He did warn us that "they" would try to steal the election. Too bad our elected swamp rats didn't take action to see that this did not happen!

Just my thoughts but I think DT is waiting until this bogus impeachment trial is over, then he will be back in some way to help.
I don't disagree with you that he accomplished a lot of good despite all of his obstacles, some of them self-imposed. I pray you are right & that he will come back in full force like the person I voted for, I just have my doubts.
 

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I am proud of Donald Trump and applaud all that he has done for the people. After 8 years of devastation of our country - we desperately needed someone to try and set things right again. But who? We all knew that anyone we elected from the swamp it would be crooked business as usual and nothing changed. Then Donald Trump stepped forward. He certainly didn't have to. He could have enjoyed a rewarding carefree retirement. But he saw what was happening to the country he loves and also what was happening to the hard working Americans who were struggling to stay afloat.

Donald Trump stepped forward, determined to do whatever he could to put Americans first, build up the economy, and make our country strong. He did all this! The relentless onslaught from every direction he endured for 4 years is unimaginable. I do not know how he did it! And like SuperNumb said, he had to pick his cabinet from the Swamp so not easy choices. Some he picked acted like genuine supporters until they got in office and then you could see they were just planted swamp rats waiting for their chance to undermine Trump anyway they could. I do wonder (along with others here) why Trump didn't replace them right away but I am sure he had his reasons and he does give everyone a chance. He did warn us that "they" would try to steal the election. Too bad our elected swamp rats didn't take action to see that this did not happen!

Just my thoughts but I think DT is waiting until this bogus impeachment trial is over, then he will be back in some way to help.
I'm with you Scout, well said! President Trump is the Best President that this country has ever had and probably will ever have. Chosen by God to step in and expose the lawlessness and the evil that exists in our country and the world. President Trump is not perfect, and neither are we! He has the support of the majority of the American people and I speak of him as the President, because he is! Let's not forget, the President was re-elected by an overwhelming amount! How all of this plays out is and always has been in God's hands! I know, I know some want to explain it all away and leave God out of it completely! Too many people just don't realize that this is the very reason that we are in this sad state of affairs today! I wish I had an answer as to why things happened the way that they have so far, but I don't! I do know this and that is that Our God is in control of this entire messed up world and we have a choice of praying for him to hear our plea, continue to expose and remove the evil and save our Country once more, or just sit back and watch it waste away!
 
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SuperNumb

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Just a thought but maybe...instead of trying to push our amateur (D) and (R)ino type friends toward Trump we should instead just try harder to them away from professional (D)...by showing them how rotten to the core professional (D) are. Impeachment 2.0 is certainly giving plenty of debate ammunition, no?

2022/24/26/28/30/32 may or may not be Trump/relatives candidates on tickets but there will certainly be plenty of professional (D) to go around on every single ticket. Selling Trump/relatives is going to be impossible for "probably" 1/2 of those that didn't vote for him twice to begin with, but stripping professional (D) of their power base might be a different way to get to the same conclusion? :p

I mean...

1. who is The Wall keeping back? where are these rumored hordes of Shamans hiding out? why no Leaders arrested, charged, convicted?
2. where is bi-partisan anything that doesn't involve the name Trump or domestic terrorist threat porn?

Leading to...is Washington DC just a huge Circle Jerk and the rest of country has already moved on, trying to figure out the same old, same old (still): kids not in school, to vaxx or not, can we visit grandma yet?, one income only households, no income households, where's promised $2,000, blah blah blah...lots of stuff that has nothing to do with Impeachment 2.0 prime suspect: DJT nor any family member nor election fraud...per se!
 
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