Vaccine or no vaccine. What does it all mean anyway?

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I am not an anti vaxer. I just feel this virus was grossly exaggerated when you see the decrease in other diseases as covid went up. For instance, where did the flu go? Anyone?
Covid deaths are still really low in terms of percentage. I am not minimizing anything, I am simply looking at it from an objective point of view. Plus, I do believe it is the treatment protocol that kills people, not the virus per say. They inflated the numbers to suit their needs by created panic and fear over an extended period of time to condition and prepare people into accepting the necessity for an immediate vaccine protocol. A protocol that would promise a return to life as we knew it. People in general are not very sophisticated nor deep thinkers. They go by feelings. Covid bad - vaccine good. Vaccine means I can go back to the beach, hug grandma and go to the casino. It's that simple.
The vaccine was rushed and created by shady companies. Yes Trump had to get a vaccine before he left, but some bad people saw an opportunity to 1. Make money 2. Act on bigger more nefarious plans.
Generally speaking I avoid meds unless there is no other way. E.g I have to take thyroid meds but opted for a natural version to avoid synthetic and big pharma. Aside from the ethics/moral narrative (are vaccines created using stem cells from aborted babies?), this vaccine is not a vaccine, it's a therapeutic. It provides no guarantee of full eradication like polio or TB vaccines did. It is just panic and crowd control at this stage and people are suckered into believing it will work and give them back the life their own government took away from them in the first place.
But viruses mutate hence the reason why the flu vaccine only covers just about 50% of the strains. I am no scientist, clearly, but I do believe nature works in weird and wonderful ways. You either get the virus or you don't. Is there a genetic predisposition? Are some people more prone to getting it? Is there a dna link? They say obesity and age are big contributors. Ok, but obesity and age are big contributors to a whole bunch of other diseases too, so where are we going with that? It's like stating the obvious, if you are old and fat you are more prone to getting sick. Mind blown!

And once the vaccine is inside of your body, what else does it do? Does is wake up dormant cancer cells? Oops sorry about that! Are we going to see billboards with 1-800 numbers for covid vaccine indemnity 5 years from now?
Since it is still experimental, why aren't they paying people to participate in their experiment like they do with every other experimental treatments? Are they using the vaccine to divide citizens into categories: vaccinated - non vaccinated to further a different agenda. And will they deny you other medical services in the future if you are not vaccinated? "Sorry lady, Jersey City medical center will not deliver babies from non vaccinated mothers". Are life insurance going to get involved? Died from covid vaccine? It is experimental, you're not covered. Died from covid, you weren't vaccinated, you're not covered. Where do they stand?
Ethically and legally can you actually force someone to be vaccinated in order to board a plane. So you can roam around Newark Airport unvaccinated but you can't get on THE plane. Your non vaccinated self can stand in line at the post office to get a passport but you cannot use said passport to get on board your Carnival cruise because no vaccine.
And what if we flip the whole thing around. Can an anti vaxer deny services to vaccinated people? How much more can we divide people? I am also interested in finding out if more Democrats are getting vaccines v. Republicans. And, if so, is this another way to identify people? You got vaccinated? You must be a Democrat!
So many questions.
Bottom line.
1. It's not a vaccine.
2. It does not offer a guarantee you won't get sick or make someone else sick just like wearing mask and social distancing weren't guarantees.
3. See my user name.
 
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I am not an anti vaxer. I just feel this virus was grossly exaggerated when you see the decrease in other diseases as covid went up. For instance, where did the flu go? Anyone?
Covid deaths are still really low in terms of percentage. I am not minimizing anything, I am simply looking at it from an objective point of view. Plus, I do believe it is the treatment protocol that kills people, not the virus per say. They inflated the numbers to suit their needs by created panic and fear over an extended period of time to condition and prepare people into accepting the necessity for an immediate vaccine protocol. A protocol that would promise a return to life as we knew it. People in general are not very sophisticated nor deep thinkers. They go by feelings. Covid bad - vaccine good. Vaccine means I can go back to the beach, hug grandma and go to the casino. It's that simple.
The vaccine was rushed and created by shady companies. Yes Trump had to get a vaccine before he left, but some bad people saw an opportunity to 1. Make money 2. Act on bigger more nefarious plans.
Generally speaking I avoid meds unless there is no other way. E.g I have to take thyroid meds but opted for a natural version to avoid synthetic and big pharma. Aside from the ethics/moral narrative (are vaccines created using stem cells from aborted babies?), this vaccine is not a vaccine, it's a therapeutic. It provides no guarantee of full eradication like polio or TB vaccines did. It is just panic and crowd control at this stage and people are suckered into believing it will work and give them back the life their own government took away from them in the first place.
But viruses mutate hence the reason why the flu vaccine only covers just about 50% of the strains. I am no scientist, clearly, but I do believe nature works in weird and wonderful ways. You either get the virus or you don't. Is there a genetic predisposition? Are some people more prone to getting it? Is there a dna link? They say obesity and age are big contributors. Ok, but obesity and age are big contributors to a whole bunch of other diseases too, so where are we going with that That? It's like stating the obvious, if you are old and fat you are more prone to getting sick. Mind blown!

And once the vaccine is inside of your body, what else does it do? Does is wake up dormant cancer cells? Oops sorry about that! Are we going to see billboards with 1-800 numbers for covid vaccine indemnity 5 years from now?
Since it is still experimental, why aren't they paying people to participate in their experiment like they do with every other experimental treatments? Are they using the vaccine to divide citizens into categories: vaccinated - non vaccinated to further a different agenda. And will they deny you other medical services in the future if you are not vaccinated? "Sorry lady, Jersey City medical center will not deliver babies from non vaccinated mothers". Are life insurance going to get involved? Died from covid vaccine? It is experimental, you're not covered. Died from covid, you weren't vaccinated, you're not covered. Where do they stand?
Ethically and legally can you actually force someone to be vaccinated in order to board a plane. So you can roam around Newark Airport unvaccinated but you can't get on THE plane. Your non vaccinated self can stand in line at the post office to get a passport but you cannot use said passport to get on board your Carnival cruise because no vaccine.
And what if we flip the whole thing around. Can an anti vaxer deny services to vaccinated people? How much more can we divide people? I am also interested in finding out if more Democrats are getting vaccines v. Republicans. And, if so, is this another way to identify people? You got vaccinated? You must be a Democrat!
So many questions.
Bottom line.
1. It's not a vaccine.
2. It does not offer a guarantee you won't get sick or make someone else sick just like wearing mask and social distancing weren't guarantees.
3. See my user name
 

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