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Bernie Kerik Analyzes the Uvalde Police Response

In this snippet, Kerik tells us what happened. I'm going to try to explain why it happened . . . . or at least provide one possible explanation.

Cops did the exact same thing at Columbine High School in 1999 and it's happened in several other mass shootings.

In fact . . . it's probably happened in EVERY mass shooting but we're not just totally aware of it. Here is the simple fact:

RESPONDING COPS WON'T ENGAGE THE SHOOTER DIRECTLY.

Instead of going in and killing the mass shooter, they "set up a perimeter and contain."



This is not unusual for men in combat.

Writer S.L.A. Marshall (aka "Slam Marshall") wrote about this after World War Two and had the stats to prove it:

In any given body of American infantry in combat, no more than one-fifth, and generally as few as 15 percent, had ever fired their weapons at an enemy, indeed ever fired their weapons at all. SOURCE MEN AGAINST FIRE

This was later disputed and some claimed that Marshall had made the whole thing up. They said that in many units, men fired way too much. But as a result of Marshall's book the Army instituted new training methods and by Korea, Marshall noted that the percentage of men engaging had jumped to around 55%

But whether Marshall got it right or not, this wasn't the first time someone had noticed the hesitation of men in combat.

.A French army officer (Colonel Ardant du Piq, later killed in 1870 during the Franco-Prussian War) had written about the hesitation of men in danger. Du Piq noted that in previous wars, men had stood shoulder to shoulder and this kept them morally strong. But in "modern wars" men had to disperse and this made them have to face danger alone.

"The soldier is unknown often to his closest companions. He loses them in the disorienting smoke and confusion of a battle which he is fighting, so to speak, on his own. Cohesion is no longer ensured by mutual observation." SOURCE BATTLE STUDIES

The same thing was noted in the American Civil War. Almost 25,000 muskets were recovered on the Gettysburg battlefield and many had more than one round loaded. In other words, a soldier had loaded a round and in his fear had loaded another one and sometimes many more. (Supposedly, one musket was found with 23 rounds loaded but this is now considered a wild exaggeration.)

And in "Pickett's Charge" many historians now believe that the charge failed because many Confederate soldiers lay down at the fences along Emmitsburg Road and refused to advance further.


Here's the bottom line.

Cops in "battle" are no different than "soldiers in battle." Furthermore, for many reasons, most police departments in America train their cops to wait for backup. They're supposed to establish a perimeter, contain and wait for SWAT to actually go in and kill the bad guy, or for negotiators to talk them out.

So if you are ever a victim in this kind of mass shooting . . . the overwhelming probability is that the cops will not rescue you in time.


I'll leave it there. Draw your own conclusions and plans . . . . . .
 
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Bernie Kerik Analyzes the Uvalde Police Response

In this snippet, Kerik tells us what happened. I'm going to try to explain why it happened . . . . or at least provide one possible explanation.

Cops did the exact same thing at Columbine High School in 1999 and it's happened in several other mass shootings.

In fact . . . it's probably happened in EVERY mass shooting but we're not just totally aware of it. Here is the simple fact:

RESPONDING COPS WON'T ENGAGE THE SHOOTER DIRECTLY.

Instead of going in and killing the mass shooter, they "set up a perimeter and contain."



This is not unusual for men in combat.

Writer S.L.A. Marshall (aka "Slam Marshall") wrote about this after World War Two and had the stats to prove it:



This was later disputed and some claimed that Marshall had made the whole thing up. They said that in many units, men fired way too much. But as a result of Marshall's book the Army instituted new training methods and by Korea, Marshall noted that the percentage of men engaging had jumped to around 55%

But whether Marshall got it right or not, this wasn't the first time someone had noticed the hesitation of men in combat.

.A French army officer (Colonel Ardant du Piq, later killed in 1870 during the Franco-Prussian War) had written about the hesitation of men in danger. Du Piq noted that in previous wars, men had stood shoulder to shoulder and this kept them morally strong. But in "modern wars" men had to disperse and this made them have to face danger alone.



The same thing was noted in the American Civil War. Almost 25,000 muskets were recovered on the Gettysburg battlefield and many had more than one round loaded. In other words, a soldier had loaded a round and in his fear had loaded another one and sometimes many more. (Supposedly, one musket was found with 23 rounds loaded but this is now considered a wild exaggeration.)

And in "Pickett's Charge" many historians now believe that the charge failed because many Confederate soldiers lay down at the fences along Emmitsburg Road and refused to advance further.


Here's the bottom line.

Cops in "battle" are no different than "soldiers in battle." Furthermore, for many reasons, most police departments in America train their cops to wait for backup. They're supposed to establish a perimeter, contain and wait for SWAT to actually go in and kill the bad guy, or for negotiators to talk them out.

So if you are ever a victim in this kind of mass shooting . . . the overwhelming probability is that the cops will not rescue you in time.


I'll leave it there. Draw your own conclusions and plans . . . . . .
That is bullshit. And you know it.
 

RayRed

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There were young women, who fought past police, got in and saved their children.
 

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KARMA

EXCLUSIVE: Uvalde Police Officers Receiving Death Threats After Texas School Shooting​


Yeah, this is not going to end well.

I think the "on scene commander" screwed up so royally that he will be fired. I doubt he'll go to prison but if he's any kind of normal man, he'll create his own prison in the mind.

I think one of his defenses will be that he simply did not believe that the cops on-site could handle a breach of a locked and barricaded door.

How to Properly Kick in a Door | Breaching Techniques


All these lessons were learned after Columbine.

The commission also criticized law enforcement's response to the shootings, noting that officers made "no efforts" to "engage, contain or capture the perpetrators" during their 46-minute assault inside Columbine High.

Instead of entering the building quickly to stop the killings, police focused on securing the perimeter of the school,
the report said. While that may have protected the community and kept officers from harm, "who suffered as a result of that?" Erickson asked rhetorically.

We're just spinning in circles.

There are too many schools, too many school districts, too many bureaucrats.
 
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RayRed

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Bernie Kerik Analyzes the Uvalde Police Response

In this snippet, Kerik tells us what happened. I'm going to try to explain why it happened . . . . or at least provide one possible explanation.

Cops did the exact same thing at Columbine High School in 1999 and it's happened in several other mass shootings.

In fact . . . it's probably happened in EVERY mass shooting but we're not just totally aware of it. Here is the simple fact:

RESPONDING COPS WON'T ENGAGE THE SHOOTER DIRECTLY.

Instead of going in and killing the mass shooter, they "set up a perimeter and contain."



This is not unusual for men in combat.

Writer S.L.A. Marshall (aka "Slam Marshall") wrote about this after World War Two and had the stats to prove it:



This was later disputed and some claimed that Marshall had made the whole thing up. They said that in many units, men fired way too much. But as a result of Marshall's book the Army instituted new training methods and by Korea, Marshall noted that the percentage of men engaging had jumped to around 55%

But whether Marshall got it right or not, this wasn't the first time someone had noticed the hesitation of men in combat.

.A French army officer (Colonel Ardant du Piq, later killed in 1870 during the Franco-Prussian War) had written about the hesitation of men in danger. Du Piq noted that in previous wars, men had stood shoulder to shoulder and this kept them morally strong. But in "modern wars" men had to disperse and this made them have to face danger alone.



The same thing was noted in the American Civil War. Almost 25,000 muskets were recovered on the Gettysburg battlefield and many had more than one round loaded. In other words, a soldier had loaded a round and in his fear had loaded another one and sometimes many more. (Supposedly, one musket was found with 23 rounds loaded but this is now considered a wild exaggeration.)

And in "Pickett's Charge" many historians now believe that the charge failed because many Confederate soldiers lay down at the fences along Emmitsburg Road and refused to advance further.


Here's the bottom line.

Cops in "battle" are no different than "soldiers in battle." Furthermore, for many reasons, most police departments in America train their cops to wait for backup. They're supposed to establish a perimeter, contain and wait for SWAT to actually go in and kill the bad guy, or for negotiators to talk them out.

So if you are ever a victim in this kind of mass shooting . . . the overwhelming probability is that the cops will not rescue you in time.


I'll leave it there. Draw your own conclusions and plans . . . . . .
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former NYPD Commissioner Bernard Kerik conducted two extramarital affairs simultaneously, using a secret Battery Park City apartment for the passionate liaisons, the Daily News has learned.-2 and a wife www.nydailynews.com/news/bernard-kerik-double-affair-laid-bare-article-1.340899
 
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I wish you guys would stop quoting "Natural News" and Mike Adams.

He's totally full of s***.

Use credible sources.

You just posted a video where a guy did a brilliant analysis of the timeline. THAT'S what we need . . . not Mike Adams. :)
 

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I agree he's a scumbag. But he understands police tactics.
Now, it gets even worse: The police officers at the scene utterly failed to act on the training they had received at the Uvalde school itself to stop mass shooters. The documents reveal that the responding police officers have no excuse for not acting sooner to prevent the mass shooting. There were reportedly 19 police officers at the scene who waited for over an hour for a janitor to give them a key before they decided to act.
 

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Now, it gets even worse: The police officers at the scene utterly failed to act on the training they had received at the Uvalde school itself to stop mass shooters. The documents reveal that the responding police officers have no excuse for not acting sooner to prevent the mass shooting. There were reportedly 19 police officers at the scene who waited for over an hour for a janitor to give them a key before they decided to act.

Having seen countless government investigations and having done some myself, do you know how many people are going down for this?

0

Zero. Goose-egg. None.

They'll find that individual cops DID try to get into the room, were shot at, some were hit and were forced to pull back.

They'll find that the on-scene commander wasn't getting the correct info due to "communications and interoperability problems." He'll retire, take his pension and move to Florida.

They'll find that the cops on the perimeter were following orders.

The cops who manhandled the parents were only trying to prevent parents and cops from being hurt by emotional parents.


What will come out of this is another program to throw huge sums of money at cops and schools.
 

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Seems the Dept of Justice is not able to investigate
much of anything, within a decent timeline (10
years). They are too busy covering Killary crimes
to do much else.

Very true. But they'll investigate this one because there's a pot of money involved.

This may even allow the department Of Education to have its own federal police force.

Instead of TSA . . . . ESA: Education Security Administration.
 

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